Fr. Just to set a the latter two of those preserved for us in Slavonic. Fr. Yetzer Anthropologies in the Apocalypse of Abraham (WUNT, 1.438; Tuebingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2020). I think sometimes people take 1, 2, and 3 John as being like these little bonus bits toward the end of the New Testament before we get to the big, crazy dream-vision at the end. Thats absolutely a blessing! Dan: Yeah, the second question was: What was it about their understanding of the goats blood that was understood to have a cleansing or sanctifying effect over the various parts of the holy of holies and the Temple that you guys discussed? Theosisbecoming like Godis perhaps the best-known understanding of . Fr. Fr. Stephen: So the whole thing is burned. So that was kind of over-translated. Fr. I always wanted to better understand it. Andrew: That would be a long, long list. Fr. Stephen: And this corruption means, and brings these things under the power of, the hostile powers that dwell out in the wilderness or that rule over the nations that are at work outside. Fr. Stephen: So, yeah, Im actually not answering your question. Fr. They see this as a kind or type of atonement. Another fun thing from Sunday school, ruined by Fr. Fr Stephen explains it a way that finally makes sense. That makes perfect sense. So, using the color scarlet, using this wrapped around language. Fr. The Bible refers to people who are (generically) tall, (generically) very tall, or (generically) of great stature. Fr. To browse Academia.edu and the wider internet faster and more securely, please take a few seconds toupgrade your browser. Andrew: Yeah, which I love that verse, because if you ask people sometimes, Why did Jesus come to earth? theres all kinds of things they might say, some true and some not so much, but I love that: He comes to destroy the works of the devil. In what manner is the atoning work of Christ mediated to the world, or could we say that it is mediated to the world by the Church? Stephen De Young concludes the discussion of Revelation, Chapter 11. Theres like cheering going up across the country now because we mentioned Azazel. Theyre not out in the wilderness; theyre not encamping in tents. Yeah, so heres the thing, that the King James Bible translates this word, when its used for, Fr. So whats important here is just we need this blood from this goat, from this pure and blameless goat. And to get at that, we get some help from some of the Church Fathers. Well, the text doesnt actually say how many there were; there were three gifts. [Laughter] where it describes what Tubal-cain created. Fr. Thank you. If you go through something, for instance, and you experience it as a kind of harrowinga purification, a cleansing, a cleaning-outas were now about to enter into Great Lent, its is a process of purification, I mean, that is what Great Lent among other things, that is what Great Lent is. Stephen: Antiochus IVEpiphanes was not his last name. Fr. Andrew: Here we go. Youre not sacrificing a goat to Yahweh and then sacrificing another goat to Azazel. I mean, obviously he has to touch it, but theres not this ritualized laying-on of hands thats going on that Im seeing here, unless Im just missing it, Father; I dont know. But Im not sure that the body of the book establishes this. For those of you who know what that is, you know who you are. Oh, man, whats happening here? [Laughter] I just need to read this word. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, right, exactly. Here is another misconception Fr. Fr. Photius: Oh, man! Islam, in: Encyclopedia of the Bible and Its Reception (EBR), vol. So hes not sacrificed to Azazel. Fr. Lord of Spirits: Sons of God, Equal to the Angels. And, supporting that within the Bible, is also in Leviticus 17:7, which is the very next chapterand remember, the chapter-breaks werent there originally, so this is just a couple paragraphs later at the end of the ritual for the Day of Atonementtheres the commandments that the Israelites are not to continue worshiping the goat-spirits of the wilderness. So it seems to me that Azazel is most likely one of those. Fr. Andrew: Yeah, theyre now participating in the eschatological Day of Atonement. Because obviously, if you interpret it purely as related to sins and the forgiveness of sins, then not everyone in the world has their sins forgiven, but And so you have to And thats where Peter Lombard in the eleventh century comes up with the idea of sufficiency and efficiency, that Christs sacrifice is sufficient for the world but not efficient for the world, and on and on and on. So when Peter is called to go see Cornelius the centurion whos a Roman, whos a Gentile, whos from one of the pagan nations, he sees this vision of the animals, the formerly unclean animals, being lowered in this cloth. [Sigh], Fr. Stephen: You can read for yourself. Hey, its the sin-goat!, Fr. So that means the one thats going to be used for the more positive and holy purpose has to be pure, unblemished, no broken bones, not a runt, etc., but since it could be either, they both have to be that. Fr. Fr. Fr. Its just a practical thing. So the first covering that happens, the reason this is done on this day, as weve mentioned in previous episodes, is that this is the day that Yahweh chose to appear visibly in the holy of holies. All right. This element of the eschatological Day of Atonement, that Azazel is finally defeatedits not just sending him back his sin while he continues to control the rest of the world out there, but hes done away with and disposed ofis, as we said Hebrews is going to be peppered all the way through here. I dont know. Fr. Fr. Stephen: The corruption of the earth, of the whole world. The Bible in a Year (with Fr. Facebook He also discusses Chapter 10 in its entirety. It makes no sense. So I think thats hopefully the important take-away, beyond all the fun stuff and interesting Bible tidbits; that this isnt just about knowing the right interpretation, thinking the right thing, but its about experiencing the reality of Christ. Fr. Did it eradicate it? There are also some folks who want to suggest that Azazel isnt a being. Fr. So lets talk about what St. John says about this. Fr. Im going to describe this. Thats his indictment; thats the charge against him. Andrew, or the Orthodox Church, or anyone else just coming and bashing on Western churches and saying, Ha ha ha! ,and Stephen De Young The V. Rev. Stephen: So, easy way to prevent that: push him off a cliff, dump him in a hole. So some people will try to will want to translate Azazel, instead of seeing it as a name, as a proper name, will want to translate it as something like the goat who goes away. This is where scapegoat comes from, because scape- like escape. Escape is go away: the goat that goes away. And then as you go out to the holy place and then to where the Levites are dwellingthe Levites and the priests have to maintain this higher level of discipline and holinessand then you get to the Israelites, who have to do this even higher level than the nations. Fr. Fr. Stephen De Young The V. Rev. Fr. It becomes this mechanism that I sort of get benefited that benefits me, rather than something that I ritually participate in. Well, who would have been doing this? And, one way or another, thats going to kill the goat. So its just these common things that they had in the camp, but then theyre taken and theyre consecrated and theyre set aside by being sprinkled with blood. Instead of avoiding or invalidating problem passages out of discomfort, Fr. They would all say: the gospel of John and the epistle. Stephen: Right. It may be the case that this scholarship does vindicate the claims of Orthodox Church, but much more work needs to be done connecting the dots. Andrew: Yeah, probably. Like, when God said, Dont worship the goat-spirits, hes not saying, Now dont do the ritual I just gave you to dothat thats not worshiping the goat-spirits. I am so thankful to have found this podcast, which is a wonderful resource on content and context! Well do an ark of the covenant episode, just about that. Fr. Andrew: No, I dont think so, but yeah [Laughter] Hello, all of you Jonathan Pageau fans out there. It was dedicated with blood; now its purified again and made holy again with blood. Andrew: Thats interesting, which is funny, because you wouldnt think of Like, at what point do we see Cain teaching something? Fr. [Laughter] That was a lot of more advanced theological concepts that were packed back into the word cover. In light of this, though, I would like to propose that from now on we refer to cover bands, Fr. Remember, the blood of this goat is used to purify sacred space. Andrew: Yes, right, so the idea is to take the sins of the people and get them out of the place where sin does not belong. So we dont know how it was killed. Email Newsletter, Terms of Use Privacy Policy Permissions Content Disclaimer. Fr. Facebook But that is a minor detail. Hes our staff philologist. Father Stephen De Young, creator of the popular The Whole Counsel of God podcast and blog, traces the lineage of Orthodox Christianity back to the faith and witness of the apostles, which was rooted in a first-century Jewish worldview.The Religion of the Apostles presents the Orthodox Christian Church of today as a continuation of the religious life of the apostles, which in turn was a . One is that he is not sacrificed to Azazel. Stephen: Im Um, actually"ing you in real time. Fr. Fr. We just walked through the Day of Atonement ritual, the goat for Yahweh, the goat for Azazel, and what those things mean. Its never going to catch on. So the place where its the most threat, inside the sanctuary, thats the place that the Day of Atonement is concerned and focused on, purifying and cleansing from this taint. I will not. Fr. Disclaimers, Pauls Works of the Law in the Perspective of Second Century Reception, by Matthew J. Thomas A Review, John the Presbyter: Eusebius Imaginary Friend. So all of this is being done on this day because of his appearance. Fr. Stephen: Sin leaves a taint, not just on us. Thats where the feast comes from, the feast of lights. The Bible provides us with some similes pertaining to height. Andrew: [Laughter] Thats right. Both blaspheming pagans! Yes, yes, I do have a question, and it pertains to 1 John 2:2. Stephen: So he does this sin-offering, and then the sort of Day of Atonement ritual proper begins. The views of select philosophers and theologians on the implications of the Mesopotamian and apocryphal texts in the testaments will be explored. You guys are all asking the wrong questions! Andrew: Yeah, thats cool. Stephen: Right, that was later. This paper explores a possibility that may not have been previously considered that the wife of Ham (one of the sons of Noah), who was one of the individuals present on the ark, was born from Nephilim stock. Stephen: And we dont normally think about Cain a lot, but when we do we think about the story of Cain and Abel and, oh yeah, hes a murderer; hes a bad guy. Fr. Fr. Fr. My only criticism of The Religion of the Apostles is that its purpose seems ambiguous. Fr. [Laughter] I dont know. Stephen: Yeah, which brings it to I give and I take away, and I gave you your OED, Fr. Stephen De Young continues the discussion of Revelation, Chapter 13. Academia.edu uses cookies to personalize content, tailor ads and improve the user experience. Fr. The early Christians did not deduce the doctrine of the Trinity from the fact that they were worshiping Jesus, nor did they come up with Trinitarian theology as a way of buffering the Church against heresy. Andrew: Yeah, the GOATiest. Fr. Fr. Stephen: Or even mercy-seat bands, if we want to be really old school. Fr. Fr. So to prepare for that, he has to offer a special sin-offering for himself, because he needs to be, because hes going to go all the way in, he has to be at this state of purity and holiness that is unsurpassed. Boom. Whats the deal with this super-big day of offering? Im getting a little giddy here, because when we were going over this in our preparation, it was just stunning to me: once you have clarity about, especially what the Old Testament says, theres all kinds of bits of the New Testament that just light up, left and right. It not only leaves that reside and that taint within us, but within the people around us and in the actual, physical creation itself. Fr. I dont know. I mean, St. Matthew is himself a Jewanti-Semitic?hes writing the most Jewish of the gospels, the most Hebraized of the gospels! I think thats a net loss to you, frankly. Andrew: Yeah, right, and it probably should be noted that that doesnt contradict what came before.
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