All in the family wish him nothing but the best, however his violent and irrational demeanor makes him a true pariah and danger to himself and anyone around him. However, most bear encounters are under less than perfect conditions. I compare the 10mm and the 44 magnum cartridges, weighing their strengths and weaknesses for the role of bear defense.Check out the new video where we use th. For animals, I always get concentrated-stream types. 2. 6. Global warming? Make sure to have several encounters. Not at all. It immediately blew enough of it back in my own face that had it been a defensive use, it would have made matters worse. here: Live survive love laugh and be happy, not screaming in terror before dying in pain, 7mm Remington Magnum (168gr Nosler AccuBond LR at 2,880fps): 19.6 Its important to remember, however, that 44 mag ammo is not a magic bullet. Oddly enough, that same 158 grain LRN bullet is prone to through and through on people. The cause and the effect of the .44 shot is obvious in the video. Let's look at those assumptions a bit closer in the following table. My uncle Dale dropped a charging sow with a neck shot at the same distance with a s&w 629. And those rifleslike the Marlin 1894 or Ruger 77/44are lightweight, compact, and ideal for hound. Dean made a claim and provided evidence, then you made a claim and provided none, and when asked to provide evidence you refused and essentially said it was up to Dean to disprove your claim, which is not an intellectually honest way of aproaching a discussion. I lived in AK for a number of years in the early 70s and whenever I went fishing I carried a .44 magnum. My cousin lives in AK and Ive helped him dress a bear. of energy. When it comes to recognizing and responding to a bear attack, few people have as much experience as Alaskas Steve Nelson, a former research geologist for the U.S. Geological Survey whos spent the last 41 years teaching bear defense courses in the Last Frontier. I cast and powder coat these: I bothered to read the articles about last weeks the bear attack in Florida, unlike you. Dean Weingarten is a fear salesman, and not just in this article, but most of his others. LOL! 2) lots of bear attack stories lately. Center Mass hits can disrupt the circulatory system, but science has proven that enough blood remains in a humans system that they can continue to act for up to about 10 seconds. Mostly considered a revolver cartridge, the .44 Magnum is often chambered in rifles. A Black bear just killed a guy in Florida there, genius. And Im sick with the flu,so Im goofing off in this pathetic comments section. It might have continued on to hit the spine, resulting in the instant collapse of the bear. Why the Alaskan was designed as a snubbie? (Another was uncovered after I wrote the last article.) Here are some tips on how to do just that: Many people have this question, and the answer is not a simple one. I am not so much concerned with how well the revolver will shoot as I am about how well I can shoot the revolver. Im pretty sure, he would say, the gun is only as good as the person handling it. If Im on my ATV my rifle stays in your typical V shaped rifle mount that attaches to my front rack, retained by rubber straps. Feel free to reach out to us or read our affiliate disclosure and privacy policy. If I was in the wilderness thered be a gun on me at all times. Unless and until you provide evidence to support the claim, thats all it is; a claim. You should be using slugs, and not just your average deer slug but hot ones, and you can forget about buckshot. Anyone else? 44 mag ammo can help you do just that. They routinely feed on the gut piles of hunter-killed elk and, along with their cousins Alaska brown bears, are known to try to claim carcasses from hunters. Because of this thing called real world experience. Alaskan Grizzly Bear Attack Demonstrates Effectiveness of .44 Magnum, How to Horrify the Mainstream Media in One Easy Step, Gun Review: Springfield Armory Ronin EMP 3 9mm 1911, https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2017/7/6/handguns-for-defense-in-bear-country/, https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140415-black-bear-florida-attack-habitat-wildlife-conservation/, http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41heavy.htm, https://leeprecision.com/mold-6-cav-c430-310-rf.html. You could try noticing that fact, wondering about it, and asking, Why wouldnt you choose a long-barreled gun that shoots with higher velocity, better penetration, more accuracy, less muzzle flip, less recoil, and holds one more bullet to stop a charging bear?. Spray products vary. Ruger chambers the .454 Casull in both the Super Redhawk with a 4-inch barrel and the Alaskan in a 3-inch variant, both of which are compact and easy to draw when things get up close and personal. I use Lyman no. However, if you are dealing with an especially large or aggressive bear, you may need something more powerful. Actually looking for 300 grain .411 hardcast. Its a matter of physics, do the math. The heaviest I have found without casting my own is 265 gr. This is really what the .44 mag was designed for., Yup. Dont know if anyone else remembers his encounter in Alaska with a grizzthat had been following him and a guide in a bad storm. I hunt on Kodiak. However, if you are reasonably accurate, a single strike on a vital area of a grizzly bear such as the head, shoulder, or internal vitals will generally produce a quick and humane kill. I see youre suddenly changing from Jesse Pinkman language to an exact imitation of Donald Trump-tweet language.Why? Probably the worst-case scenario that anyone spending time in bear country can face is a charging grizzly bear. Depends on what type of bear. And you have no idea how much anybody here spends in Bear Country. Back then we didnt have hearing protectors and YES it was loud! It wasnt even language. A bear spray salesman. Sep 17, 2005. For me, the pros outweigh the cons enough to make a 44 magnum my choice of bear country pistols. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Believe it or not those that used pepper spray or just played dead survived more than those that pulled out hand guns and blazed away. If you do encounter one, though, remember these tips: It is important to note that even if a 44 Magnum round does stop a bear in its tracks, there is still a chance that it could come back after being shot. So, your friend may have downed a black bear with his 9, I dont think I would bet my life on one. The comparative recoil data shows the difference between our chosen calibers. Our Sitemap. The majority of my travel is either via ATV or Snowmachine, while not on foot. Never needed it, but I remember he let me shoot it, almost knocked me over! .30-06 Springfield (180gr Nosler Partition at 2,750fps): 21.8 Of absolute importance when you choose a handgun caliber for bear defense, stopping power is at the top of the list. Anybody? A female grizzly will do almost anything to protect her cubs. Over thousands of generations that adds up. They were attacked by a large grizzly bear . All of that being said, in my past 4 years in Alaska, you know how many times Ive been attacked by a bear? No joke, a full house 44 Mag in a rifle kicks. If you end up underneath a Grizzly that mauling your ass pre-shot and still-biting-you theres a common, two word, phrase for that kind of situation. Any large caliber pistol is going to deliver often punishing recoil. We better remember that when we are out where the truly strong are. No gun. You can easily see in this chart how the different calibers using standard factory loads compare in delivered energy down range. This holster always lives on the outside of my outermost coat. Woot! Available in shorter versions like the Smith & Wesson 629 with 4-inch barrel, the .44 Mag. While a well-placed shot from a 10mm can no doubt do the trick, the .357 Mag. The 44-magnum pistol that I occasionally shoot is a Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan model. Caliber: .44 Magnum Barrel length: 4.125 inches Overall length: 9.6 inches Weight: 41.5 ounces Grips: synthetic Sights: front red ramp, rear adjustable white outline Action: double action Finish: polished stainless Capacity: 6 rounds Price: $949 Featured image: Doug Larson Discussion .73 (2 3/4) 12 GA Slug 437.5 gr @ 1560 FPS (2363/ ft lbs): 71 He carries a .375 H&H mag. Some of these guys are border line genius. will make it easy to kill black bears. You criticize Dean, he responds and asks you to provide a source for your criticism, and then you refuse, and do so in a self-righteous manner? They must have been some real badasses. Will a 44 Magnum stop a grizzly bear? (Its the one with the 18:26 time-stamp). You have entered an incorrect email address! .375 H&H (300gr Hornady DGX at 2,530fps)(4,263 ft lbs): 40.7 You should instead be astonished of its success and dominance instead of blaming it on things like youre made up fake news. Oh, and the other key to using .44 Magnum to successfully stop a large grizzly bear attack is HAVING IT ON YOUR PERSON. Aim is critical too and handguns just arent accurate, nor can they match a rifle let alone a a rifle that needs hard cast bullets for this job anyways. 1) are these Alaskan hunters from Alaska? So be sure to keep an eye on the animal until it is definitely dead. Biologically, grizzly bears are omnivores and will eat almost anything they come across. Yes you do want a magnum. I am not looking to go toe to toe with a Grizzly, but if I am out bow hunting or have set down my rifle to gut a deer it is far better to have a handgun that will effectively penetrate a large animal than to scramble for my rifle if I get charged. And as I said at the git-go, a hell of a lot of hunters have been mauled by grizzlies after they shot them. A JSP bullet at a velocity that will completely penetrate the chest of an average-size bear is probably a better choice than a hardcast SWC solid. Presumably he removed it when they started cleaning the moose, which is probably the worst time to do so. The number of large caliber rifle rounds that came out of that bastard were truly frightening. First, I give you credit for confronting a critic, and also for being civil. Honestly cant remember ever having an issue taking grizz with a 44 mag (Ruger super Blackhawk) . Had he chosen to come my direction, theres no telling what would have happened. 2. While some may consider it the minimum, its plenty powerful enough to stop an onerous bear. Some others are .50 Desert Eagle, .454 Casull, .500 Smith & Wesson Magnum and the .480 Ruger. When I wrote, But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life?, it was a statement about black bears. I was driving along an overland trail, about to cross a small creek and pop back out onto the beach of our lake. You need to drop it in its tracks and firing off many multiple rounds, otherwise with that much recoil will be like the miracle in Pulp Fiction. Hundreds of bear attacks? Stay safe out there! Tyler Freel A 12 gauge's effectiveness can vary tremendously based on the ammunition used. To give folks working in dangerous animal country a very portable self defense tool. This is the end of my comment. Hunting grizz is much easier than defending against a charge but both my uncles stoped charges. Revolvers And Grizzly Bears. It depends on the situation, as well as the type of bear in question. And that was from a pretty stout rifle round, .300 Win Mag IIRC. akgunners comment HELPS people and makes them smarter. Since the bear usually knows where you are long before you are aware of the bear, your reaction time may be considerably less than 4.5 seconds. Show me on the doll where the handgun touched you. Ive read about a bazillion books on camping and backpacking. Looking at delivered energy gives us a better idea of how the 44 magnum stacks up against other popular handgun cartridges suitable for bear defense. As he fell, he bit at the ground and ended up with a mouthful of sod. Does a 44 Magnum rifle kick? At that distance, a shooter has roughly four seconds to make a charge-stopping shot, which requires a steady hand under intense pressure. WHEN CLOSE TO HOUSE CHEST RIG WITH SHORT BARREL S/W .44 MAG OR SUPER RED HAWK .44 LONG BARREL. No Time For My 338 or the 12 gauge we had in camp, I got up slowly, turned and fired a shot from my S&W Alaskan Backpacker 44magnum, that was just enough to turn the Big Boar, he leaped the 20 foot distance between us in one bound, and landed just to our left, ( my partner fired ( as the Boar was flying through the air) and hit the Boar, through the the lungs with his Backpacker 44 mag, the Boar hit the ground and leaped away from us, (this would be a V shaped leap) we found him the next morning about 80 yards from camp back in the woods, Dead!! Don't bet your life on bear spray. No. Aim for the center of mass whenever possible in order to ensure a quick and clean kill. But energy doesn't kill animals, tissue damage kills them. These are the most vulnerable areas on a bear. My sidearm at the time was unfortunately in a hip holster, covered by jackets. has a well-deserved reputation as a charge-stopper. The .44 magnum boomed in the night and the boar fell straight down, his head three feet away from where I stood. Heres a look at the eight best charge-stopping bear cartridges ever made. Sure makes it shorter and lighter, easier to carry and draw. Thanks for visiting eatingthewild.com. Good on him for having the clarity of mind to make such a shot, and for having the appropriate ammo in an appropriate caliber such that it could actually travel through a large bear and disrupt the spine and cause such a necessary instantaneous stop. Very difficult to do, but an absolute guaranteed instant stopper. grains X muzzle FPS X inches /7000. The short barrel makes this pistol quick and easy to draw and maneuver, it is lighter than most other 44 magnum revolvers. But I always heard that bear spray worked better than a gun. Take your time in selecting a shot and make sure to take into account distance, windage, and elevation. My hope was that the shot would sting the bear and help scare him away along with the flame and loud report. Im certain this is the most butthurt Ive made anyone on this website since that crazed lefty threatened to sue me. They are lucky to have survived given they left their primary defensive weapon in a tree! I had also noticed that your post of 13:49 was damned good. Polar bear attacks are expected there, and tourists are not allowed unless they carry a high powered firearm. The cartridge was used to thwart attacks from black bear, brown bear, grizzly, and even a Kodiak Bear. The biggest thing you can do to protect yourself from bears (at least in Alaska) is to respect them, their home, and their food source. You write em and put your name on em, you have to do that heavy lifting. Thats about the only way a handgun bullet is going to drop a charging bear that quickly. Do your own research, calculate the very physics/ ballistics the Taylor Knock Down Factor. A bear is not a human and self-defense rounds are not as effective on a bear as you might expect. But while our hands were fresh we shot the revolver first. But I can count em well enough to know it was a lot more than the tiny sample of 29 that he cherry-picked to scare you. Ive watched, while working out, flossing, but never sittingI dont sit while I watch TVpretty much every documentary on bears ever shown, including the one on crazy, brave, brilliant, dead Timothy Treadwell. There is no definitive answer to this question as different bears will respond differently to various types of bullets. Far more important, in my book, is the ability to draw and accurately fire your bear defense weapon in a very short period of time. Henrys newest single shot is easy to carry and sports fiber-optic sights and a turkey choke for deadly tight patterns. I know a guy who emptied his 9mm into a Black Bearkilled it well enough. With red powder coating the loaded cartridges look like little lipsticks. During the 10mm vs .44 Mag. Im not criticizing him for that, but he didnt say it was his research. If I was in Bear country , cutting up a bloody Moose , I would have had my own defensive weapon with me first , in my case its my Red Hawk .454 Casul and if I had for some reason forgot to bring it , you can bet I would have already learned all the whats and what nots of my partners gun , like how to remove it from its holster . Alaskan moose hunters Doug White and Reed Thompson were working on packing out the meat and head from a successful hunt. and it bounced around inside its cranium it might stop it. However, if we are considering the average person on an outdoor adventure, we need to look at the best fit option. I am thinking I would allways have a friend with me to watch my back, if indeed I was to be in a situation of a bear encroachment. I am looking forward to seeing them. People arent buying snubbies in big calibers for this kind of situation any more than theyre buying large knives because they want to join that one guy who actually did kill a grizzly with a Ka-Bar. The guys got lucky.. How in the hell did our ancestors kill them with a rock tied on the end of a stick? But I do know this. Down in the article a little ways Paco talks about his bear kill. I can't imagine anyone feeling comfortable packing a .44 mag. They must have been some real badasses.. Among other things, I subscribed to Alaska Magazine for about twenty years, beginning in 1975, and Backpacker Magazine from the same year, but until the early 2000s, when its subscription subcontractor made it way more trouble than it was worth anymore, and subscribed to Outside magazine for many years, along with Backpackinglight.com. Sorry Scotty, but you missed again. If so, theyll need a no-safety, round-in-the-chamber-already handgun that doent get a longer barrel turned sideways under a billion pounds of pre-shot and still-biting-you-bear. LOL . 2 (90-5-5) alloy and size them to .430. Smith & Wesson. However, most experts recommend using a bullet with a grain weight of at least 300 in order to ensure the greatest chance of success in stopping a bear. Always remember to check local regulations when traveling in bear country. Always remember to check local regulations regarding firearms when traveling in bear country. So, people are mauled by bears. So thst you can show all the unknowable how absurd and violent they behive. I wonder what Larry Kelly would have to say about the negative talk here about the Magnaport Stalker handguns that his company builtand he took to Alaska and the African continent to do his testing with it way back in the late 70s or 80s. Nelson says after about 20 shots, his wrist starts to swell and he can no longer shoot. Your comment is just what the doctor ordered. The bear, during the attack, moved from one hunter to the other, giving Doug the chance to access Reeds .44 magnum, that had been hung in a tree. Id like to see Boddingtons sources for hundreds of attacks. A 12-gauge shotgun and slug will deliver impressive energy and is effective to moderate ranges. DO NOT SEE THE MTN LIONS MUCH BUT THEY ARE OUT THERE AS SEE THE TRACKS AND A GLANCE OUT THE WINDOW ONCE IN A WHILE. Get a closer look at the Smith & Wesson Model 350, the latest addition to our #SundayGunday series. I have found 30 instances so far. As stated by Marshall and Sanow in Stopping Power, As a general trend, and all else being equal, stopping power increases as the size of the recovered bullet increases., In addition, their table Caliber Comparison on page 335 shows a significant advantage for .45 ACP over .38.special. I doubt any bear could withstand two quick rounds from this one to the head! Hes an intelligent and well-educated man who honestly believes his own be-afraid B.S., but its still be-afraid B.S. Putting aside your irrelevant propagandizing about the Philippine insurrection, there is clear evidence that when comparing ball ammo, the .45 ACP is better than the .38 special and the .45 Long Colt was better than the .38 Long Colt. And whatever you do, never try to approach or touch a dead bear. Craig Boddingtons new book dispels the myth that carrying a handgun in big bear country is effective in stopping a bear. Whats your excuse? However, if you are dealing with an especially large or aggressive bear, you may need something more powerful. We would like to show you a description here but the site won't allow us. https://leeprecision.com/mold-6-cav-c430-310-rf.html I have a more-than-full-time job except when I have the flu,like today,and Im not going to write your articles for you. Your gun needs to be accessible and not overly retained. When I need it, I simply have to grab my pistol and pull. NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE BEARS CLOSE TO CABIN EATING BERRIES OR GETTING A DRINK. The 44 magnum when compared with the other large-caliber bear defense cartridges is rather lightweight in the recoil department. Value. A 240-grain +P Buffalo Bore projectile carries roughly 1,600 ft.-lbs. from the muzzle. The statistics lie with the .44 magnum as an effective handgun against a grizzly bear attack. Sourced? Admit that you made a mistake, Hank, and that you were wrong, and apologize. The first was simply a test to see how far it would spray. The major reason is that they dont want to waste expensive ammo on the range. Large caliber handgun ammunition is expensive. Would I be able to stop a bear attack if it happened to me? Yes Im sure youve read 12,000 books on bear attacks and subscribe to bear attack monthly while you work out to bear attack shows. The .357 is also available in smaller-framed revolvers that fit smaller hands, making it ideal for women and less experienced shooters. I had no expectation that the pistol would kill the bear. As the bear charge drill in his course demonstrates, the average bear attack will happen at 50 yards or less with an 800-pound animal moving at 30 mph. 44 Magnum ammo should do the trick though! Proper 9mm bullets yield sufficient penetration in soft tissue, but it may not stop a bear quickly enough to avoid being mauled. WE HAVE WOLVES, MTN LIONS AND BEARS APLENTY AROUND MY ELK CAMP. 2. Ultimately, it is important to choose a round that you are comfortable shooting and that provides the best chance of stopping an attacking bear. SEE IT. Maybe you should pay more attention to the world around you and have a little less Tude with everyone. The 44 magnum is almost unspeakably more powerful than the 22 rimfire, so of course it will kill a bear. Otherwise, anyone thinking a handgun is good for bear defense should file off the front site and lubricated really well. In general, you should always try to avoid any conflict with bears if possible. He said it was his hunting partners gun. No it didn t. I digress..and of course firing in tandem at said target with the the other rounds by your partner. Scotty, or Cisco or whatever his current intertube name is; I believe may be afflicted with the same disability as my unfortunate nephew. As a wildcat cartridge, it hasnt seen the widespread use of other rounds on this list, but that hasnt stopped many guides and hunters, Nelson included, from converting Marlin lever guns for its very effective use. That phrase is Youre fucked because the chances you survive such a situation are slim to none. Using the Mag. A 9, 38, or 45 isnt an adequate round for something as large as a bear, with think hide, fur and muscles. In terms of firearm selection, Nelson said its really about delivering a few well-placed shots on target in a short timeframe. Grizzlies may become aggressive for a number of reasons. (THIS IS A SEPARATE SUBJECT. Knowing the approximate distance at which you will be encountering bears is an important factor in choosing the right round for your firearm. The black bear is the only animal in the continental U.S. that can provide the average hunter a reasonably accessible opportunity to hunt dangerous game - game with fangs and claws rather than horns and hooves. .. What happened? In 1984, Winchester began to produce rifles chambered for cartridge, legitimizing Waters dream, and establishing it as a commercial cartridge. Finally, always remember that proper shot placement is key when using 44 mag ammo for bear defense. statement Ive made people really understand what to do about bears? Based on ballistic testing and field use, Nelson recommends Brennekes Black Magic Magnum or DDupleks Monolit 32 solid steel slug. Of course, being familiar with your gun and practiced with its use is as important as the cartridge selection. .44 Remington MagnumConsidered by many to be the minimum for big bear defense rounds, the .44 Remington Magnum was first introduced in 1955 for revolvers and gained widespread popularity in the 1970s thanks to Dirty Harry. My partner had never been Face To Face with a Bear before, but he did well (said he never heard a word I said) You just do what you have to do, thats all. So youre absolutely not man enough to admit that you were wrong about the Florida attack, then? I havent seen anyone advocate using a pistol as an offensive weapon for bears in this thread, or in the article, it is specifically about using a pistol as a defensive weapon on a charging bear. Its also been incredibly popular among Alaskan hunters and guides, especially in lever-actions like Marlins 1895 Guide Gun, which is compact, fairly lightweight and highly maneuverable in close quarters. Youve all read how much ground a bear can cover in a few seconds..he kept his cool and did everything right once the holster fiasco was passed. From thegreatwhitehunter.com: When Reed distracted the bear from its attack on me, I had time to concentrate on the holster. Admit that you were wrong and apologize. Neither survived. WTF are you doing using a holster you are not absolutely certain how to operate? MY BEST ADVICE HAVING HAD TO DEFEND MY SELF MANY TIMES IN WAR AND CIVILIAN LIFE IS BE AND STAY PREPARED WITH BEST EQUIPMENT CAN AFFORD AND BEST ADVICE YOU CAN SEEK.
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